FleetAdm Scott2: =/\= ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN =/\=
Ens JFarrington: Ah. Indeed.
VAdmiralMorse: howdy Rowdy Tabster
LtCdr Hawg: ::aa::
VAdmiralMorse: MikeM
SyAndrewL: ::AA::
Doctor Bartello: ::AA::
Admiral MikeM: ::AA::
Ens Kyron: ::aa::
VAdmiralMorse: ::anthropamorphic Assasin::
AmbassadorTAerae: ::at attn::
LtCTabbers: ::aa::
Cmdr Margo Rock: ::AA::
CavTanker2742: ::AA::
Major Yvon Hawke: ::looks over::
Captain Kaelia: ::Looks attentive::
Angel Swan: ::whispering to Janis:: Look at all the admirals... some are even cute, considering.
Nevaeh Spencer: ::AA::
Angel Swan: ::blicks and pays attention::
Admiral MikeM: (thanks, Angel)
LtCmdr Lydia: ::@A::
LtFCBellKrasner: ::AA::
FleetAdm Scott2: Hello everyone, and thanks for coming to another SFOL Town Hall Meeting. The purpose of this particular meeting is two-fold. I've got two major announcements to make, and then all SFOL members get to vote on one of them.
FleetAdm Scott2: As always, we're going to follow standard meeting rules. What's that mean? Glad you asked! Here's the rules:
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Angel Swan: ::crossing my legs, the wrap-around minidress parting across my thighs::
FleetAdm Scott2: When you want to ask a question, type ? and you will be added to the queue.
FleetAdm Scott2: When you want to make a comment, type ! and you will be added to the queue.
FleetAdm Scott2: When you are done with your question or comment, type /ga - which stands for "Go Ahead" and signifies that you are done.
FleetAdm Scott2: The always-helpful Admiral MikeM will be handling the queue tonight. When you post a ! or ?, Mike will announce the queue, and who's in which order. So, if Person1 goes ! and then Person2 goes ?, Mike will say:
FleetAdm Scott2: In the queue: Person1, Person2.
Admiral MikeM: eg. In the queue: * (* means empty)
FleetAdm Scott2: Please don't talk out of turn or interrupt others when they are speaking. As always, the golden rule is in effect: Treat others as you wish to be treated yourself.
FleetAdm Scott2: Additionally, no name calling or insulting other people/groups.
FleetAdm Scott2: Please. :)
FleetAdm Scott2: Any questions or comments at this point?
Angel Swan: ::whispers:: Now that's a provocative thought.
LtCdr Hawg: ?
FleetAdm Scott2: Yes Mr. Hawg?
LtCdr Hawg: Can't even call Morse a name or two?
FleetAdm Scott2: Hmm.
Admiral MikeM: In the queue: LtCdr Hawg
Admiral MikeM: damn
Angel Swan: ::sniggle::
LtCdr Hawg: oops, /ga
FleetAdm Scott2: At random times, sure, once or twice. Good ol' mudbutt Morse. ;)
VAdmiralMorse: ::chuckles::
LtCdr Hawg: Thanks :)
FleetAdm Scott2: Any other questions?
Major Yvon Hawke: ::snort::
Admiral MikeM: In the queue: *
FleetAdm Scott2: Alrighty. Let's get started, then. First of all, I'm very proud to announce that after a year of promises, failed designs, and other issues, I've completed redesigning SFOLWeb.com.
FleetAdm Scott2: :-D
Captain Kaelia: (YAY!)
FleetAdm Scott2: While I have yet to implement the new design, I am planning on doing so later tonight/tomorrow morning. To see the new site now, head on over to:
FleetAdm Scott2: http://dev.sfolweb.com/index.php
FleetAdm Scott2: I'll give everyone a minute to head on over and look around.
FSF Truce: very nice
LtFCBellKrasner: !
FleetAdm Scott2: Yes Mr. Krasner?
SyAndrewL: !
LtFCBellKrasner: The site looks really great, I believe you should be commedned for your hard work
Admiral MikeM: In the queue: LtFCBellKrasne,SyAndrewL
FleetAdm Scott2: Nah. Just took me forever to find the time, and to design something I liked. Or, at least... didn't hate.
FleetAdm Scott2: But thank you.
FleetAdm Scott2: Andrew?
SyAndrewL: Sorry chief, with all the white, its just Yuck in my book.
SyAndrewL: I think I will keep a hyperlink to the forums.
FleetAdm Scott2: Well, you can't please everyone all the time.
Admiral MikeM: :-X
Admiral MikeM: In the queue: *
FleetAdm Scott2: The new design is what web designers called "Semantic" or "Web Standards Compliant". What this means is that it's completely 100% valid HTML, CSS, and is accessible to people who have
FleetAdm Scott2: visual impairments and use special software called Screen Readers.
FleetAdm Scott2: called = call
FleetAdm Scott2: Beyond that, the new design is much more clean cut, prints out very nicely, and has some additional back-end features which we were lacking before.
VAdmiralMorse: ?
Admiral MikeM: (folks, please type /ga when finished so I know you're don. Thanks!)
Captain Kaelia: ((That is terrific and breath taking Admiral Scott. I'm so excited! I just can't hide it...da.da.da..hehe sorry))
Admiral MikeM: In the queue: VAdmiralMorse
FleetAdm Scott2: You'll also notice on the new homepage that there's a featured Game of the Month - something many of you have asked for, and I've now come around to implementing.
FleetAdm Scott2: Will?
VAdmiralMorse: Is the new site WAP compatible?
FleetAdm Scott2: Actually, yes.
Admiral MikeM: sweet
FleetAdm Scott2: In the future, I'm going to start a Player of the Month feature, and perhaps a Log of the Month feature as well.
FleetAdm Scott2: There's a lot more to the new website, both visually and technologically that makes it a whole lot better than the design we've been using for the last few years
FleetAdm Scott2: (despite the many modifications I've made to it over the last year and a half).
FleetAdm Scott2: So, as I said before, I'll be doing the switchover sometime in the next 24 hours or so. During that time, parts of the website may be inaccessible. The dev.sfolweb.com section will be taken down immediately after I've...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...made the new site live, so, please DON'T bookmark the dev site.
FleetAdm Scott2: Any questions or comments?
ARCHDUKEOF562026: Yes'm.
Admiral MikeM: (In the queue: ARCHDUKEOF562026
FleetAdm Scott2: Yes ARch?
ARCHDUKEOF562026: How does a crossover sim sound?
FleetAdm Scott2: Interesting, but, we're not going to be discussing anything like that tonight. The business we're discussing after the website is of...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...high importance, and will have an effect on our ability to create new games for a while.
Admiral MikeM: (In the queue: *
ARCHDUKEOF562026: ?
FleetAdm Scott2: Yes, Arch?
ARCHDUKEOF562026: Is bookmark the same as put in favorites?
FleetAdm Scott2: Exactly the same.
FleetAdm Scott2: Just put www.sfolweb.com in your favorites.
Angel Swan: ::glances over::
FleetAdm Scott2: It will change to the new design over the next 24 hours.
FleetAdm Scott2: Anything else?
Admiral MikeM: In the queue: * (like the italics?)
FSF Truce: (very italic-y)
FleetAdm Scott2: Alrighty.
FleetAdm Scott2: Now... on to the real "meat and potatoes" portion of the meeting.
FleetAdm Scott2: As you may have noticed, we've got a new face in here tonight: Admiral Truce, who is one of the leaders of the simming group FSF, the Federation Sim Fleet. Truce is a former member of SFOL, and has been one of the most...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...supportive people of SFOL over the last few years, despite the problems we've had and the struggles we've faced.
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Admiral MikeM: (Welcome Shuni)
FleetAdm Scott2: And there's the other leader of FSF, Admiral Shuni!
Captain Kaelia: (Welcome Shuni)
Angel Swan: ::looking over toward the entrance::
FleetAdm Scott2: (You missed my complimenting Truce. ;))
AdmShuni: (Hello everyone)
FleetAdm Scott2: The reason that Truce and Shuni are here tonight is because, in about five minutes, you'll all have a lot of questions that they will be able to answer better than I will.
FleetAdm Scott2: So, here it is: Over the last year and a half, MikeM and I have spent a great deal time, effort, and in my case money, on rebuilding SFOL.
Admiral MikeM: (and the que-keeper will be challengeed)
FleetAdm Scott2: We've done a lot of clean up, started advertising, bumped up recruiting by over 200%, as well as many other positive things...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...all in an effort to make SFOL the best fleet it can be once again. A lot of thanks goes out to you, the Members and Game Masters, who've been extremely supportive and helpful.
FleetAdm Scott2: I know that without your help and support, I probably would've gone mad and quit the whole thing. So, for that, thank you very much.
FleetAdm Scott2: About a month and a half ago, I was going through our advertising statistics, and thinking about some things going on in my personal life. Things have come to a plateau for us, in a way.
FleetAdm Scott2: For those of you who are good at math, you understand the science behind the Bell Curve.
FleetAdm Scott2: Like a Bell Curve, things for SFOL started at the bottom, progressed to the top, and then headed back to the bottom again, and the process repeats.
FleetAdm Scott2: Now, we're certainly not as bad off as we were a year and a half ago, but we're not as great as we were eight months ago. Why? People are busy, things happen in life, and in our case, we've also had some inter-fleet issues...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...with negative situations occurring between us and other fleets. Whether it was our fault or other people's faults isn't the issue. Unfortunately, for every negative incident that occurs, we lose one or two people.
FleetAdm Scott2: On the other hand, we still receive 2-5 applications a week.
FleetAdm Scott2: SFOL shouldn't be about politics - we're a gaming group; an online community. We're here to have fun.
FleetAdm Scott2: So, in an effort to help boost recruitment, improve our advertising, relieve MikeM, Morse, and myself of some of the stress of handling all of the fleet by ourselves, and to make simming in SFOL more fun again...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...We have proposed a merger/alliance with FSF. Admiral's Shuni and Truce have been very open to this, and after a number of discussions, we've decided we're going to move forward like this:
FleetAdm Scott2: First, MikeM, Morse, and I have spoken to all of the SFOL GM's, explained the positives and negatives of the deal (which I'll explain to you momentarily), and have heard their opinions about it.
FleetAdm Scott2: I'm pleased to announce that all of SFOL's GM's have agreed this is a good idea.
FleetAdm Scott2: The reason we spoke with the GM's privately at first was two fold. First of all, if the GM's thought it was a bad idea, it was my belief that then turning around and proposing it to the membership would be a bad idea.
FleetAdm Scott2: After all, if the GM's don't like it, why pursue it?
FleetAdm Scott2: The second reason is because the rumor mill that is the internet. We've seen first-hand over the last few years how a little rumor can get started, changed into something completely incorrect...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...and then get blown way out of proportion, causing all kinds of problems. With that in mind, we (the Admiralty and the GM's) agreed to keep this stuff secret until now.
FleetAdm Scott2: At this point, what I want to do is present the positives and negatives of the merger/alliance to you, let you ask questions of Shuni, Truce, and myself, and at the end of the discussion...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...we'll all have a vote as to whether to merge or not.
FleetAdm Scott2: Now, these positives and negatives are my positives and negatives. There's more to it than that, of course, but I'm highlighting the big stuff.
FleetAdm Scott2: As one of the players on Outpost 221 said the other night, "Democracy at it's best". Because this is such a big decision - the first of it's kind for SFOL - I wanted all of us to be involved in making it.
FleetAdm Scott2: Here's the overview of the merger - Shuni/Truce, feel free to interrupt if I get something wrong/leave something out:
FleetAdm Scott2: 1. FSF is divided up into "Fleets". Each fleet consists of no more than eight games, and the fleet is lead by two people - the Fleet CO and the Fleet XO. That would be MikeM and myself.
FleetAdm Scott2: (Right?)
FSF Truce: (Right)
FleetAdm Scott2: 2. SFOL will get to maintain its name, Spacefleet Online, but within FSF we'll most-likely be referred to as the "Space Fleet".
FleetAdm Scott2: We're still tweaking that detail at the moment, though.
FleetAdm Scott2: But, we will NOT lose our identity.
FleetAdm Scott2: Especially now that I own the trademark for Spacefleet Online. ;)
FleetAdm Scott2: 3. While MikeM and I would maintain overall control of the fleet, we would also have to work with the FSF GM Council for big decisions and such.
FleetAdm Scott2: (Right?)
FSF Truce: (yeah, don't worry Scoty, I'll tazer you if you need ot be corrected :) )
FleetAdm Scott2: (Splendi--- ack!)
FleetAdm Scott2: 4. There's more, which I'll let Shuni and Truce explain in a moment.
FleetAdm Scott2: Before they speak, I'd like to post the positives and negatives, in my opinion, of the merger:
FleetAdm Scott2: Positives:
Captain Kaelia: ((LOL Tazers are great...lol))
FleetAdm Scott2: 1. FSF is very big, and has over 500 members. We've got somewhere between 60 and 95 members at the moment, so, it's an asset to us, and them, for us to merge. It would vastly improve the pool of...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...potential players for both fleets.
FleetAdm Scott2: 2. We'll be able to maintain our own website, and get lots of advertising and recruiting help from FSF, while at the same time advertising and recruiting for them as well.
FleetAdm Scott2: 3. FSF has an amazing, highly-organized Account Management System (AMS) that all GM's and members use to keep track of everything sim-related. This includes message boards. More on that later.
FleetAdm Scott2: 4. Any further issues that occur between SFOL and other fleets will be mediated by FSF, which takes a lot of the burden off of MikeM's and my shoulders.
FleetAdm Scott2: Negatives:
FleetAdm Scott2: 1. While not a negative to me, I know a few GM's have expressed some unhappiness about this...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...but the FSF maintains it's rosters through it's AMS, so each GM will need to go in at least once a week and make a quick update to the roster/attendance stuff.
FSF Truce: (Tazer)
FleetAdm Scott2: Please correct me, Jay. :)
Captain Kaelia: (::smirking to S2, haha::)
Admiral MikeM: (hehe)
FSF Truce: GMs don't have to update the Roster, unless they are actually changing a rank (promo) or a position.
Admiral MikeM: (::watche Jay tazer Scott and munches on pizza::
FleetAdm Scott2: But there's a weekly thing they've gotta do, right?
LtCdr Hawg: ?
AdmShuni: (Monthly)
LtFCBellKrasner: ?
Admiral MikeM: (or monthly, or sthing)
FleetAdm Scott2: Ahh. In that case, GM's can't complain toooooo much. ;)
FSF Truce: Yeah a monthly report, its a copy and paste from the page to an email
FleetAdm Scott2: Excellent.
FSF Truce: they would copy the info from their page, and email it to you and mike
Admiral MikeM: In the queue> LtCdr Hawg, LtFCBellKrasner
AdmShuni: Just to make a good-faith effort to keep your information up to date
SyAndrewL: !
FleetAdm Scott2: ::Nods::
FleetAdm Scott2: Thank you. :)
FleetAdm Scott2: Mr. Hawg?
LtCdr Hawg: Just real quick, what is the FSF website so we can be looking it over if we want to? /ga
Admiral MikeM: In the queue> LtCdr Hawg, LtFCBellKrasner,, SyAndrewL
FleetAdm Scott2: www.sb254.com
FSF Truce: www.sb254.com
LtCdr Hawg: thanks
AdmShuni: www.stargategames.com
AdmShuni: ;)
FleetAdm Scott2: NP
FleetAdm Scott2: That's a new one. ;)
AdmShuni: 2 years old
FleetAdm Scott2: To me
AdmShuni: But its all the AMS
FSF Truce: yeah we added that to attract more stargate gamers
FleetAdm Scott2: Spiffy!
AdmShuni: And its worked
Admiral MikeM: In the queue> LtFCBellKrasner, SyAndrewL
FSF Truce: -ga
FleetAdm Scott2: Mr. Krasner?
LtFCBellKrasner: Ok, first a comment, I think this is an incredibly good idea, this could be awesome for everyone, if we do this do we keep our current ranks and positions
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FSF Truce: definitely, FSF has no desire to change anything with regards to games themselves
FleetAdm Scott2: Yes. A point I was going to make in a minute is that nothing will change on your ships.
FSF Truce: (sorry Scott)
AdmShuni: (Tazer ;) )
FleetAdm Scott2: (Sal good - feel free to break in whenever. ;))
LtFCBellKrasner: Second part of my question, what will the GM policy be will we still be able to become GM's, those that want too
FleetAdm Scott2: Well, Jay, Shuni, MikeM, and I need to sit down and discuss it, but I believe we'll be going with their policy, albeit possibly modified a bit for us.
FleetAdm Scott2: But, that's still up in the air.
LtFCBellKrasner: GA
Admiral MikeM: In the queue> SyAndrewL
FleetAdm Scott2: Truce is going to elaborate.
SyAndrewL: I am up?
Angel Swan: ::glances::
Admiral MikeM: (one sec, Andrew)
FSF Truce: ok...in FSF we have a minimum reqirement for time served before someone can apply
FleetAdm Scott2: Just a minute, please. I'd like Truce to explain this. :)
FleetAdm Scott2: (As do we)
FSF Truce: we of course will not expect you guys to wait
FSF Truce: if you have served in SFOL for that long or more, you are going to be allowed to apply for hosthood
FSF Truce: your time in SFOL will be bridged basically
FSF Truce: you can see a hosting application here:
FSF Truce: http://www.sb254.com/hostapply.php
FleetAdm Scott2: So, you've still gotta wait to host in SFOL, Elliot.
FleetAdm Scott2: ;)
LtFCBellKrasner: :-D
FSF Truce: we use a system similar to what SFOL used in the old days
FSF Truce: minus the AOL CL training fo course
Captain Kaelia: (LOL That is what I keep telling him...::winks::)
FleetAdm Scott2: And the blacklisting of people, I hope.
FleetAdm Scott2: Minus the blacklisting, that is.
FSF Truce: if this goes thru, anyone that is interested can contact me for more details
FSF Truce: -ga
Admiral MikeM: In the queue> SyAndrewL
FleetAdm Scott2: Excellent. Thank you. :)
FleetAdm Scott2: Andrew?
SyAndrewL: ::Stands up::
Angel Swan: ::whispers:: So far so good, Andrew.
FleetAdm Scott2: ::smirks::
SyAndrewL: So many things are going through my mind, I wish I knew where to start. An out-out and allance, with FSF I would not have no problem with. They support SFOL, SFOL supports them. Great concept.
LtFCBellKrasner: ?
FleetAdm Scott2: Well, thank you. :)
SyAndrewL: However, the present offer, as someone who has given countless years of service, I am offended beyond words.
Angel Swan: ::blinks::
Admiral MikeM: In the queue (after all are done speaking)> LtFCBellKrasner
FleetAdm Scott2: Would you like to explain your offense?
SyAndrewL: This concept they come forward with is nothing more than conquest with the acceptance of Admiral Scott. We are giving up our soverignty. We follow thier rules? SFOL has had its own rules for allong time last time I checked.
FleetAdm Scott2: Now now.
FleetAdm Scott2: This alliance was my idea.
FleetAdm Scott2: Every step of the way, we've talked about everything.
Admiral MikeM: And I signed off on it
SyAndrewL: We will be another devision of them, its the borg with a nicer tone to it.
FleetAdm Scott2: SFOL's rules and FSF's rules aren't that much dissimilar.
FleetAdm Scott2: Now hold on a sec Andrew.
FleetAdm Scott2: There's something that I haven't mentioned yet.
SyAndrewL: I have been in fleets that have done this, and they died. What drove them orginally died when they joined " the new group".
FleetAdm Scott2: I believe I've made it clear to Admirals Shuni and Truce that, if at some point we decide that we are no longer comfortable with the alliance/merger, we will pull out.
SyAndrewL: Yes, and that is the final nail in the coffin.
Captain Kaelia: !
FleetAdm Scott2: Oh please.
Cmdr Margo Rock: !
LtFCBellKrasner: !
FleetAdm Scott2: SFOL has gone through some pretty tough stuff in the last five years.
FleetAdm Scott2: We've ALWAYS come out on top.
AdmShuni: ::raises hand::
FleetAdm Scott2: And I can guarantee you that no matter what, so long as I'm the leader guy...
SyAndrewL: I saw my own fleet, NFSG go though this song and dance before. Now there is nothing of it.
FleetAdm Scott2: ...SFOL sure as hell won't die.
Angel Swan: ::looks around, lifting a delicately-curved eyebrow::
FleetAdm Scott2: Andrew, with all due respect... your fleet wasn't SFOL.
AdmShuni: FSF respects SFOL, its members and its legacy. It is our utmost goal to help secure SFOL future well into the next 5-10 years.
Admiral MikeM: (I think Shuni should be allowed to respond before the queue resumes)
SyAndrewL: Scott, I know those five years of problem, I resigned to insure hard things were done. To grant justice to unjust.
FleetAdm Scott2: (Yes, he should)
Captain Kaelia: (Nods)
FleetAdm Scott2: Alright.
SyAndrewL: Admiral Shuni, with all due respect where were you before?
AdmShuni: Many of our hosts have come up thru the SFOL ranks over the last 10 years, so we have a connection, even if you don't know it.
SyAndrewL: Its only when SFOL is rebuilding on its own two hands that you propose this concept.
FSF Truce: !
AdmShuni: Truce has been one of the most influential members of our group, and he was one of your own.
Admiral MikeM: (Truce after Shuni, then Queue resumes)
AdmShuni: This merger/alliance is our way of giving you a hand while you restructure and rekindle your structure and stamina, but within us.
AdmShuni: ga
Admiral MikeM: In the queue > LtFCBellKrasner, Captain Kaelia,Cmdr Margo Rock (after Truce)
SyAndrewL: Admiral, as I asked. Where were you before?
FSF Truce: Just so everyone knows this...
SyAndrewL: Answer that question.
FSF Truce: I am coming into this proposed merger from a very unique position.
FSF Truce: I started in SFOL over 10 years ago, and simmed with many of you
FSF Truce: I Hosted in SFOL
FSF Truce: and was here through the mess that started with Taj ROka and his friends, and Emily
AdmShuni: I was a member of the AOL hostship trying to save a dying Diaspora while your SFOL was going through drastic changes. I was busy securing my group and groups in the greater simming community from hostil waters.
AdmShuni: ga
FSF Truce: to me SFOL is more than a sim group, and it always has been
SyAndrewL: Admiral if you had come to SFOL during those times. I would have embraced any aid you could have given like a dying man.
FSF Truce: we've tried to assist SFOL through the years
ARCHDUKEOF562026: ?
SyAndrewL: I would have offered the same to you. Any and all aid I could have renderd.
FleetAdm Scott2: Alright guys.
FleetAdm Scott2: Hold on a sec.
SyAndrewL: However, since that did not happen, I do not trust you.
FleetAdm Scott2: Deep breath Andrew.
FSF Truce: it did happen Andrew
Admiral MikeM: Andrew, do you sim currently?
FSF Truce: we just didn't advertise it
FleetAdm Scott2: Andrew, whether you know it or not, FSF has been here for us. We don't publicize EVERYTHING that goes on behind the scenes.
SyAndrewL: Part time with the Stargazer, when my time permits Mike.
FleetAdm Scott2: Believe me, if we told all of you everything that we do to keep SFOL running, I doubt you'd be able to enjoy the experience.
LtCdr Hawg: !
FleetAdm Scott2: Mike, who's in the queue?
Admiral MikeM: ::nods with Scott:: And I don't even have to do the coding...
Admiral MikeM: In the queue > LtFCBellKrasner, Captain Kaelia,Cmdr Margo Roc, ARCHDUKEOF562026, (announcing the queue does not imply permiission to speak; wait for Scott to call on you)
FleetAdm Scott2: Alright. I'm going to start taking the queue here, but let's try to be brief.
FleetAdm Scott2: Elliot?
LtFCBellKrasner: I just had a simple question about the actual sims within what would become space fleet
FleetAdm Scott2: Ask away. :)
LtFCBellKrasner: I wish the Captain Ransom were here for this but I am the XO of a sim called USS Cartier, we have considered joining both FSF & SFOL, if it is decided that it is good enough to join could it be within space fleet
LtFCBellKrasner: so in a sense it would be a part of both
FleetAdm Scott2: Well, we can discuss that privately.
FleetAdm Scott2: However, each fleet is limited to eight games.
LtFCBellKrasner: GA
AdmShuni: And as Scott can tell you, 8 games is enough to keep anyone busy
FleetAdm Scott2: So... yeah. Elliot, after all of the details of the merger are worked out, you and I can discuss it.
FleetAdm Scott2: Heh, yeah
Admiral MikeM: In the queue > Captain Kaelia,Cmdr Margo Roc, ARCHDUKEOF562026, (please wait for Scott to call on you before you start speaking. Thanks!)
LtCdr Hawg: ?
FleetAdm Scott2: Captain Kaelia?
FleetAdm Scott2: (Hawg is last on the queue)
LtCdr Hawg: (Mike, I also have a ! in there, and now a ? too)
Admiral MikeM: (I got it)
Captain Kaelia: Unity is a growing effort. If we don't make the step forward, no matter who or where we go...How will unity define itself..hehe This takes courage. This is a plus for both groups. Its not about Me SFOL anymore. (Hopefully)
Admiral MikeM: In the queue > Captain Kaelia,Cmdr Margo Roc, ARCHDUKEOF562026, LtCdr Hawg, (please wait for Scott to call on you before you start speaking. Thanks!)
FleetAdm Scott2: ::Nods:: Absolutely. Change is universal, and things that don't change die.
FleetAdm Scott2: Margo?
LtCol Sector2: (very nicely put K)
AdmShuni: The members of SFOL will have a role in shaping the future of SFOL and the FSF at large
Captain Kaelia: Its about us as a growing unity. I see nothing will change other than the fact, our SFOL will get a huge belly fill of members.
FleetAdm Scott2: Exactly. And we'll get to help our friends in FSF at the time. It doesn't hurt to have friends.
Captain Kaelia: Its ok to get help. Its ok to become a unity. What hurts us will only make us stronger. ga
Admiral MikeM: (GA when done, please :-) Thanks)
Admiral MikeM: In the queue > Cmdr Margo Roc, ARCHDUKEOF562026, LtCdr Hawg, (please wait for Scott to call on you before you start speaking. Thanks!)
LtCol Sector2: (belly full of members...mmmmmm...)
Captain Kaelia: (LOL)
FleetAdm Scott2: Is that all, Captain?
Admiral MikeM: (thanks, you allll have been good about GAs so far...my saniity thanks you)
Cmdr Margo Rock: Okay, lets not forget that many of the people who sim in the FSF use to sim or currently sim in SFOL. With this merger, we are essentially becoming more of what we use to be back when we were in SFOL.
FleetAdm Scott2: Absolutely!
Captain Kaelia: ((NODSNODS)
Cmdr Margo Rock: There will be more games, more people, and more events for us to become involved in and vice versa. It is not a sign that SFOL is failing
Cmdr Margo Rock: It is simply a sign that we are growing and expanding to meet the changing times of Online Roleplaying and trying to provide a better community for all gamers. ga.
FleetAdm Scott2: Amen.
FleetAdm Scott2: ArchDuke?
Admiral MikeM: In the queue > ARCHDUKEOF562026, LtCdr Hawg, (please wait for Scott to call on you before you start speaking. Thanks!)
LtFCBellKrasner: !
Captain Kaelia: ((Well said Margo..))
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ARCHDUKEOF562026: :It has been said that SFOL has been more than sim group. What has it been?
FleetAdm Scott2: (welcome Rachel!)
SyAndrewL: A community
Admiral MikeM: In the queue > ARCHDUKEOF562026, LtCdr Hawg, LtFCBellKrasner, (please wait for Scott to call on you before you start speaking. Thanks!)
FSF Truce: to me...A community
FleetAdm Scott2: SFOL's been a community and a family to me.
FleetAdm Scott2: Folks in SFOL are some of my best friends.
FleetAdm Scott2: When I've needed someone to talk to over the last 13 years, you have all been here for me.
FleetAdm Scott2: SFOL is the family I choose.
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FleetAdm Scott2: That's what SFOL is.
ARCHDUKEOF562026: I hope I can join :)
Admiral MikeM: (Arch, email or IM me llater)
FleetAdm Scott2: Absolutely. Send Mike an e-mail. ;)
ARCHDUKEOF562026: (Sorry)
Captain Kaelia: ((I'm sorry everyone, you have my vote Admiral Scott. I'm very sorry, I must run. My daughter is crying and needs me.. Good night FSF and SFOL...))
Admiral MikeM: (Done, Arch?)
ARCHDUKEOF562026: (yes.)
AdmShuni: (Good night Kaelia)
Admiral MikeM: (np Kaelia...night)
Admiral MikeM: In the queue > LtCdr Hawg, LtFCBellKrasner, (please wait for Scott to call on you before you start speaking. Thanks!)
Captain Kaelia: ((Commander S2 Please log and send the rest to me. Thanks))
FleetAdm Scott2: (Thanks Kaelia - goodnight!)
FleetAdm Scott2: Mr. Hawg, your turn.
LtCol Sector2: (Will do Ma'am)
LtCdr Hawg: First my comments, then questions. (and it is all pre-typed and ready to go)
Admiral MikeM: (FYI all I will send the log to the GM string)
LtCdr Hawg: While I don't think I am as animated as Andrew, I concur with some of his points.
LtCdr Hawg: 1) SFOL was *the first* of this style simming groups. This comes across as an aquisition by FSF, and SFOL will lose its soverignty.
LtCdr Hawg: 2) Believe it or not, I helped get FSF started back in '92-'93. I know things have
LtCdr Hawg: changed, but back then FSF was the 'bitter' enemy of SFOL, and I pulled out when I was given the choice of SFOL or FSF.
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LtCdr Hawg: 3) If SFOL joins (and I will support it if that is indeed the decision), I believe
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LtCdr Hawg: that any attempt to withdraw will hurt SFOL. While in SFOL, new members will be loyal to FSF, and will stay with that group if SFOL decides to separate.
LtCdr Hawg: I don't know anything about present day FSF, so I am *not* against them at all.
LtCdr Hawg: I *do* see the positives for SFOL in this. It just hurts to see SFOL, something I have been totally loyal too, to go this route unless it is unavoidable.
LtCdr Hawg: And my question: SFOL has 8 sims. So how would we grow? Also, what happens to Sims that have the same name as an existing FSF sim? /ga
LtCdr Hawg: ()sorry on the formatting, kept getting msg too long errors
Angel Swan: ::rises and whispers in Scott's ear:: I have a sim to attend, but these adjustments always interest me lately. Good luck, and I shall listen for the news. ::waves, exiting::
Cmdr Margo Rock: !
FleetAdm Scott2: Whew.
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FleetAdm Scott2: Well, here's the expansion deal:
FleetAdm Scott2: Firstly, SFOL does't have all of it's games filled yet. The Exeter, the Endeavour, and from time to time the Traf need more players.
FleetAdm Scott2: So, for the time being, we weren't looking to expand anyway.
FleetAdm Scott2: In the future...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...we can create "subfleets" I believe. Is that correct, Admirals?
FSF Truce: First off...
FSF Truce: I am not an Admiral ;-)
FSF Truce: never have been never will be
FSF Truce: just call me Jay
FleetAdm Scott2: Alrighty. Sorry. :)
FSF Truce: for the expansion deal, Scott is right on
FleetAdm Scott2: ::Glee!::
FSF Truce: if in a few months let's say one of the GMs wants to start a new sim, and keep in Spacefleet
FSF Truce: we may waive the 8 sim limit, if it makes the most sense
FSF Truce: see the most important thing is the game succeeding
AdmShuni: and people having fun
FSF Truce: and that means making the players happy
FSF Truce: I was getting to that part ;)
FleetAdm Scott2: ::smirks::
FSF Truce: the sim name thing, is something that will be handled case by case, hopefully between the respective GMs
FSF Truce: like me and Margo both run sims with the same name
FleetAdm Scott2: ::Nods:: And there's two Endeavours as well.
FSF Truce: yep
FSF Truce: guess what
FleetAdm Scott2: That will all be handled before the merger.
FSF Truce: we are NOT going to force anyone to change their sim name
FleetAdm Scott2: :-D
AdmShuni: or sim times
FleetAdm Scott2: I was getting to that.
FleetAdm Scott2: ;)
FSF Truce: worst case scenario, we have to sims with the same name
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FleetAdm Scott2: Or three in the case of the Gazer.
FSF Truce: in endeavors case, one is email and one is chat
FSF Truce: so its not really an issue
AdmShuni: Players are smart, they will find your games.
FSF Truce: -ga
Admiral MikeM: (Our Endeavour is spelled wrong, Truce :-P @ Will::)
Admiral MikeM: In the queue > LtFCBellKrasner, (please wait for Scott to call on you before you start speaking. Thanks!)
VAdmiralMorse: (No, it's an alternate spelling ))
AdmShuni: (Ours is spelled wonky too, but the original creator was French Canadian)
FleetAdm Scott2: Whew. Alrighty. Next in the queue is Mr. Krasner
Cmdr Margo Rock: ((::points to her ! further up for MikeM to see::))
LtFCBellKrasner: I would like to echo the statements made by my previous colleagues, Margo & Kaelia, by merging the two fleets we can become even stronger, for someone who is a proud member of both fleets I would have to say
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LtFCBellKrasner: that it has unlimited benefits for all
Admiral MikeM: In the queue > Cmdr Margo Ro (please wait for Scott to call on you before you start speaking. Thanks!)
FleetAdm Scott2: (Welcome St. John)
LtFCBellKrasner: especially for Trafalgar, and the other games which need people
Admiral MikeM: (Heya Sait John)
LtFCBellKrasner: This will also help those newer members who are looking to join sims that fit their time slot
LtFCBellKrasner: FSF has...12 live game?
CavTanker2742: ?
FSF Truce: 14 I believe
AdmShuni: Yes, 14
FSF Truce: and 20something between email and MB
LtFCBellKrasner: 14 right
LtFCBellKrasner: And that will have even more benefits, because people can join like 10 games without having to join more than 1 fleet
AdmShuni: All in one centralized management system to make it easier for you
LtFCBellKrasner: Right, and I think that is awesomely awesome if anyone uses that expression anymore
LtFCBellKrasner: Mazel Tov to all involved!!
LtFCBellKrasner: :-D
LtFCBellKrasner: GA
FleetAdm Scott2: Thank you Elliot. :)
FleetAdm Scott2: Margo, then Cav.
FleetAdm Scott2: Margo, go ahead.
FleetAdm Scott2: (We'll be voting in a few minutes)
Cmdr Margo Rock: Okay, once again. SFOL is staying as SFOL, We're not becoming FSF.
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FleetAdm Scott2: (Hello Jack)
Admiral MikeM: (Heya Jack)
Capt Jack Hawker: (just got internet access back, sorry)
VAdmiralMorse: ((Hey oh Cap'n Jack))
FleetAdm Scott2: (Good to see ya)
FleetAdm Scott2: That's right.
Cmdr Margo Rock: #2, If we were to ever pull out of the merger, not everyone who joins post merger will stay with the FSF and SFOL will wilt away.
FleetAdm Scott2: ::Nods:: IF people like a game they are playing, they'll stick with the game.
FleetAdm Scott2: If they are *that* concerned with the politics involved, they are simming for the wrong reasons.
Cmdr Margo Rock: When the whole breakup occured, some moved on and created new groups, some joined other groups and some, like myself stayed with SFOL. I stayed because I really enjoyed the sim I was on.
Admiral MikeM: !
Cmdr Margo Rock: #3...I've been a member of SFOL for many years. If I truly didn't think that this was a positive move for the fleet, I wouldn't support it.
SyAndrewL: ?
Admiral MikeM: Margo, thats it exactly. Over the years weve learned...
Admiral MikeM: that simmers who enjoy the game will be loyal to sim more than political affiliations. GA
VAdmiralMorse: umm Queue>> MikeM (Please wait for Scott to call you before talking! )
Admiral MikeM: In the queue > CavTanker2742, SyAndrewL (please wait for Scott to call on you before you start speaking. Thanks!)
LtCdr Hawg: (lol)
Admiral MikeM: (::thwaps Will::)
Cmdr Margo Rock: That's my point exactly Admiral. ga
FleetAdm Scott2: Cav and Andrew will be the last ones before the vote. :)
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Admiral MikeM: (Hey, XO's perogotive :-) )
FleetAdm Scott2: Cav, please go ahead.
CavTanker2742: Hello I am member of the USS Slayer but I would like to say that I am also a member of a few sim on the FSF
Admiral MikeM: Hi, Cav :-)
FleetAdm Scott2: Excellent. :)
CavTanker2742: I would like to say that this alliance would be a good thing for both Fleets
CavTanker2742: Hi Admiral
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FleetAdm Scott2: (And.... Jack's gone.)
LtFCBellKrasner: (and he is back)
FleetAdm Scott2: Is that all you had, Cav?
CavTanker2742: and I like both fleets so I am in surpport of the alliance all the way Sirs
CavTanker2742: GA
FleetAdm Scott2: Excellent. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. :)
CavTanker2742: Your Welcome Admiral Scott
FleetAdm Scott2: Andrew... you can go ahead, but if you are going to go into another tirade, I'm going to eject you. I want to vote before 11:35pm eastern.
SyAndrewL: Its less than 5 minutes.
FleetAdm Scott2: 7 minutes by my clock.
FleetAdm Scott2: Go ahead.
AdmShuni: (::raises deflector shield in anticipation:: ;) )
SyAndrewL: If this merge we less intigrated of the two "fleets", I would be all for it. However, Magro hit my greatest fear head on. Things go sour, and SFOL dies. I faught too hard for it to die, with all due respect.
SyAndrewL: GA
FleetAdm Scott2: SFOL won't be dying, Andrew.
FSF Truce: I don't think SFOL will ever die, not as long as there are people who love simming with their friends
FleetAdm Scott2: We've survived some pretty harsh stuff.
FleetAdm Scott2: Hell, when I took over, we'd just lost seven games.
FleetAdm Scott2: And look at us today?
SyAndrewL: Truce & Scott, with all due respect, you do not know the future.
FleetAdm Scott2: We're doing pretty damn good.
FleetAdm Scott2: And neither do you, Andrew.
FleetAdm Scott2: So stop predicting doom.
Capt Rachel Zeta: Andrew, with all due respect, neither do you.
Admiral MikeM: Andrew, with all due respect, nor do you
FleetAdm Scott2: Your negative outlook helps no one, and only hurts morale.
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SyAndrewL: No one does. Our present path looks secure. And if I had coin to spare Scott, I would burry you in it.
Captn St John: !
SyAndrewL: IE Praise.
FleetAdm Scott2: ::Spocks an eyebrow::
Admiral MikeM: In the queue > Captn St John (please wait for Scott to call on you before you start speaking. Thanks!
FleetAdm Scott2: Well, I appreciate it.
Admiral MikeM: (Internet Exploror praise? :-) )
FleetAdm Scott2: I'm going to say it one more time.
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FleetAdm Scott2: So long as I'm in charge of SFOL, we're not "dying".
FleetAdm Scott2: You have my promise.
Admiral MikeM: (Hey Bailey)
FleetAdm Scott2: St. John?
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Captn St John: Andrew, you say you've fought too hard too keep SFOL from dying but let me remind you, Andrew, that most of us have been here a lot longer then you and we've fought as hard or harder then you to keep this group from dying. But the
FleetAdm Scott2: (Welcome back, Jack)
Captn St John: fact is that this alliance is what SFOL needs. You're right...we don't know the future...but if we don't try there won't be a future period.
Capt Jack Hawker: ( grrr comcast)
LtFCBellKrasner: Here Hre
Captn St John: done
AdmShuni: (::ties Jack down::)
FleetAdm Scott2: (I agree with St. John and Jack)
FleetAdm Scott2: Thank you Captain.
FleetAdm Scott2: Alrighty.
FleetAdm Scott2: We've had a very good meeting I think, and a lot of good discussion.
Admiral MikeM: In the queue > *
FleetAdm Scott2: At this point, I'd like to ask all SFOL members to vote...
SyAndrewL: NO
Admiral MikeM: Andrew....
Admiral MikeM: Enough
FleetAdm Scott2: Before we vote, are there any last questions?
LtCdr Hawg: ?
FleetAdm Scott2: Mr. Hawg?
LtFCBellKrasner: ?
LtCdr Hawg: Since obviously not all members of SFOL are here, will voting go on on the boards or anything?
FleetAdm Scott2: You know, I thought about that.
LtFCBellKrasner: That was my question too
FleetAdm Scott2: The truth of the matter is, everyone was invited, and each g ame I went to, I announced the meeting.
LtCdr Hawg: Or possibly on each sim for 1 wek? /ga
FleetAdm Scott2: Here's what we're going to do.
FleetAdm Scott2: We're going to vote here tonight...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...and then I'm going to post the chatlog on the message boards.
AOM White: !
FleetAdm Scott2: Considering that all GM's have signed off on this merger...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...I don't think we should spread this vote out any longer than we have to.
Admiral MikeM: In the queue > AOM White (please wait for Scott to call on you before you start speaking. Thanks!)
FleetAdm Scott2: If people couldn't bother to show up with two weeks notice and my non-stop urking...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...then it's the same thing as if you didn't go and vote for the President of the USA.
FleetAdm Scott2: If you don't vote, then you don't vote.
FleetAdm Scott2: I hate to take a hard-line stance like this...
VAdmiralMorse: (You all remembered to Register...right?)
FleetAdm Scott2: ...but we all know that if I posted thos on the message boards and let it go for a week, we'd never have a final decision.
FleetAdm Scott2: So.
LtFCBellKrasner: (registered voter yesum(
FleetAdm Scott2: If you believe that going ahead with the merger with FSF is a good thing, type "Yes". If you believe it's a bad thing, type "No".
FleetAdm Scott2: Will, please tally.
FleetAdm Scott2: =/\= VOTE NOW =/\=
Capt Jack Hawker: Yes
Major Yvon Hawke: Yes
SyAndrewL: No
CavTanker2742: YES
Doctor Bartello: Yes
Captn St John: Yes
AmbassadorTAerae: Yes
AOM White: Yes
LtFCBellKrasner: Yes
LtCol Sector2: Yes
Admiral MikeM: YES
FleetAdm Scott2: Yes.
LtCdrBailey: Yes
Cmdr Margo Rock: YES
Capt Rachel Zeta: yes
Nevaeh Spencer: Yes
LtCdr Hawg: Yes & No
Admiral MikeM: um....you can abstain :-)
FleetAdm Scott2: Uh... one vote. ;) Not two.
FleetAdm Scott2: Or abstain.
LtFCBellKrasner: I was gonna say that
LtCdr Hawg: Tie
SyAndrewL: I wish it was a tie
LtCdr Hawg: I want my vote counted as not being for either
FleetAdm Scott2: Abstain.
VAdmiralMorse: That's Abstaining
Admiral MikeM: Then thats an abstention
FleetAdm Scott2: ::Nods::
Capt Rachel Zeta: that's called an abstention
LtCdr Hawg: then my vote is not counted :)
LtCTabbers: Since I'm iffy on it, I'll abstain. :P
FleetAdm Scott2: Will, the finally tally?
LtCdr Hawg: 15-1-2
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VAdmiralMorse: out of 18 votes
VAdmiralMorse: 15 are For
VAdmiralMorse: One Against
VAdmiralMorse: Two Abstained
Admiral MikeM: Did anyonne poroxy Kaeelia yet?
FleetAdm Scott2: She voted yes
FleetAdm Scott2: As did all SFOL GM's.
Admiral MikeM: Bec ause she voted yes before she left
Admiral MikeM: Ill C&P it if you want, oh Director of Elections ::to Will::
FleetAdm Scott2: Very well.
VAdmiralMorse: No, s'all good
FleetAdm Scott2: ::Slams the gavel down::
VAdmiralMorse: that makes the count 19 (16-1-2_
VAdmiralMorse: )
VAdmiralMorse: or.. 20 (17-1-2) if you count me.
FleetAdm Scott2: Let it be known that on Monday, June 6, 2005 at 11:43pm Eastern time, that SFOL has voted overwhelmingly...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...to merge with FSF.
LtFCBellKrasner: ::stands up and claps loudly:: Three cheers for our newest GM Team and for the SFOL/FSF
SyAndrewL: FSF SEE YOU IN HELL!
FleetAdm Scott2: =/\= ATTENTION =/\=
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LtFCBellKrasner: ::AA::
FleetAdm Scott2: Ahh. Good old Andrew.
Admiral MikeM: ten-hut
CavTanker2742: ::AA::
LtCdr Hawg: ::aa::
Doctor Bartello: ::AA::
Capt Jack Hawker: :::aa:::
Major Yvon Hawke: ::looks over::
AOM White: ::AA::
Cmdr Margo Rock: ::AA::
AmbassadorTAerae: ::at attn::
FleetAdm Scott2: For the record... I've verified that Andrew isn't a member of any SFOL games, so, technically his vote doesn't count.
Admiral MikeM: (least he justt left Scott)
FleetAdm Scott2: He's not on anyone's roster, therefore his vote is null.
FleetAdm Scott2: But anyway.
Admiral MikeM: I can back that up
FleetAdm Scott2: Here's what's going to happen now:
VAdmiralMorse: 19 (12-0-2) 80P
FleetAdm Scott2: 1. The new website will be moved tonight.
VAdmiralMorse: (err... 17)
FleetAdm Scott2: 2. Announcements will be made on the website on the homepage, and a special topic in the forum will be created to discuss the merger.
FleetAdm Scott2: 3. Over the next few weeks, Shuni, Truce, MikeM, Morse, and myself will meet, finalize the details, and hopefully before Shore Leave 2005...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...we'll officially be merged.
FleetAdm Scott2: Documents will be created...
Admiral MikeM: I will send the log to the GM string tonight as well
FleetAdm Scott2: ...and posted on our website and their with information about the merger.
FleetAdm Scott2: As always...
FleetAdm Scott2: ...if you have any questions or concerns, my door, MikeM's door, Morse's door, Shuni's door, and Truce's door is always open.
FleetAdm Scott2: Thank you all for coming. If there are no other questions, I move to adjourn tonights meeting.
AOM White: except when your getting dressed.. i hope :P
LtFCBellKrasner: Second the motion
FleetAdm Scott2: ;)
FleetAdm Scott2: The motion is seconded.
LtFCBellKrasner: <<hey I did student congress natural reaction>>
FleetAdm Scott2: Meeting adjourned! Dismissed!

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